From: brindle@lf.hp.com (Mark Brindle) Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Subject: Re: DACs talk TCP/IP Date: 26 Feb 1995 18:02:52 -0500 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Message-ID: <3ir1as$sm0@eyrie.graphics.cornell.edu> PRIME MINISTER S0REN RAGSDALE (soren@gas.uug.arizona.edu) wrote: : What's the concensus on the AT&T connectors as opposed to coax? I've : heard all the Toslink-bashing, but it seems that AT&T would be fairly : serious about good fiber connections. Quite obviously, coax is the *IDEAL* medium for digital transmission because it provides essentially *perfect* rejection of any spurious non-digital signals. When the size of the coax cable is properly matched to the font of the digital source, 1's flow (lengthwise) down the center conductor while 0's pass (broadside) down the shield -- and NO other numbers can get through. Unfortunately, many low-cost A/D converters and CD transports save money by using cheap, public-domain fonts in which the 0's are oval rather than perfectly round. The resulting null-distortion causes unnatural (and easily recognizable) compression of the sound stage. This effect can be partially corrected by using specially designed coax with a slightly oval cross-section. WRT the transmission of 1's, there are two competing bodies of opinion. Most purists tend to favor the minimalist approach of using a sans serif font with a solid center conductor; however, some recent studies suggest that there may be real benefits to a twisted center conductor in combination with a slight serif at the base of the 1's. Apparently, the serif allows the 1's to engage the spiral conductor and impart a stabilizing spin -- in much the same way that the ogive at the base of an artillery shell engages the rifling in the gun barrel. hope this helps, Mark From fastfwd@ix.netcom.com Sun Feb 26 19:39:56 PST 1995 Article: 27437 of rec.audio.high-end Path: news.claremont.edu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!math.berkeley.edu!rdreyer From: fastfwd@ix.netcom.com (Andrew Warren) Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Subject: Re: DACs talk TCP/IP Date: 27 Feb 1995 01:35:07 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 38 Approved: rdreyer@math.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3irac7$fsd@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3ipe3l$f2a@tadpole.fc.hp.com> <3ir1as$sm0@eyrie.graphics.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobi.berkeley.edu Originator: rdreyer@jacobi.berkeley.edu In <3ir1as$sm0@eyrie.graphics.cornell.edu> brindle@lf.hp.com (Mark Brindle) writes: >Unfortunately, many low-cost A/D converters and CD transports save >money by using cheap, public-domain fonts in which the 0's are oval >rather than perfectly round. The resulting null-distortion causes >unnatural (and easily recognizable) compression of the sound stage. >This effect can be partially corrected by using specially designed >coax with a slightly oval cross-section. > >WRT the transmission of 1's, there are two competing bodies of >opinion. Most purists tend to favor the minimalist approach of >using a sans serif font with a solid center conductor; however, >some recent studies suggest that there may be real benefits to >a twisted center conductor in combination with a slight serif >at the base of the 1's. Apparently, the serif allows the 1's >to engage the spiral conductor and impart a stabilizing spin -- >in much the same way that the ogive at the base of an artillery >shell engages the rifling in the gun barrel. Mark: Since 0's can't add anything to the signal anyway (I've tested this by adding 0 to every number I could think of -- it never changes the number), it seems to me that REAL purists should discard them altogether. I'm working on a way to do this. My technique involves pre-processing the digital data to convert it to Roman numerals. As everyone knows, the Romans HAD no zeroes, so this effectively filters them out of the data stream. Just to make sure, I'm using a solid piece of I-beam as my transport-to-DAC interconnect. -Andy -- Andrew Warren - fastfwd@ix.netcom.com Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California